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Dünkü modun bana yazdığı küfür hariç tabi önce kendilerine ban atsınlar kanka haksızlık var ayrıca bize 3-2-1 diye kamptan atması oyun kurallarını çiğniyor laf atıyor :lol:
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onomuno wrote:Dünkü modun bana yazdığı küfür hariç tabi önce kendilerine ban atsınlar kanka haksızlık var ayrıca bize 3-2-1 diye kamptan atması oyun kurallarını çiğniyor laf atıyor :lol:
actually I was trying to ban sega. Got you number by mistake. But call me the name that you did afterwards, and I'll kick you from now on. Just like your little friend the liar.
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onomuno wrote:Dünkü modun bana yazdığı küfür hariç tabi önce kendilerine ban atsınlar kanka haksızlık var ayrıca bize 3-2-1 diye kamptan atması oyun kurallarını çiğniyor laf atıyor :lol:
onomuno şunu bil ki; bu oyunda haksızlık falan yok. Dostça geçinirsen hiç bir şey olmaz fakat 10 yaşında çocuk gibi her şeyi bir yerinizden anlıyorsunuz. general48 resimi detaylı göremiyorum fakat küfür vakası var heralde.. Zaten sega, By_Immortal bunlar aynı IP'den giriş yapmaları gerek. Çünkü kardeşler bildiğim kadarıyla...

sega & By_Immortal from the same computer to log in to the game. I believe that it is their brother. (This is just my guess, don't want to make the wrong information.)
The game is a violation of the rules of behavior in the penalty they were by the end of the draw forth. :wink:

Şu oyunda kimseyi banlatmaya çalışmayın, ciddi derecede size takıntısı olan varsa siz onu takmayın. Dostça oynayalım şu oyunu. :agree:
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olayları bilip bilmeden konuşma ayrıca biz kendimizi savunuyoz konuyu kapatak dedik onlar dahada üstümüze geldi yorumdamı yazmıyak dün oyundayken hiç bir şey demedim bana küfür edip oyundan attı o zaman biraz da oyuncularda suç bulana kadar hatayı kendinde arasın
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By_Enes wrote:
onomuno wrote:Dünkü modun bana yazdığı küfür hariç tabi önce kendilerine ban atsınlar kanka haksızlık var ayrıca bize 3-2-1 diye kamptan atması oyun kurallarını çiğniyor laf atıyor :lol:
onomuno şunu bil ki; bu oyunda haksızlık falan yok. Dostça geçinirsen hiç bir şey olmaz fakat 10 yaşında çocuk gibi her şeyi bir yerinizden anlıyorsunuz. general48 resimi detaylı göremiyorum fakat küfür vakası var heralde.. Zaten sega, By_Immortal bunlar aynı IP'den giriş yapmaları gerek. Çünkü kardeşler bildiğim kadarıyla...

sega & By_Immortal from the same computer to log in to the game. I believe that it is their brother. (This is just my guess, don't want to make the wrong information.)
The game is a violation of the rules of behavior in the penalty they were by the end of the draw forth. :wink:

Şu oyunda kimseyi banlatmaya çalışmayın, ciddi derecede size takıntısı olan varsa siz onu takmayın. Dostça oynayalım şu oyunu. :agree:

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general48 wrote:Please do not hesitate to contact for translating
As best as you can, describe the events leading up to this. And please give a good translation of the screen capture.
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slapshot wrote:
general48 wrote:Please do not hesitate to contact for translating
As best as you can, describe the events leading up to this. And please give a good translation of the screen capture.

in slang so I took it as a message
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general48 wrote:
slapshot wrote:
general48 wrote:Please do not hesitate to contact for translating
As best as you can, describe the events leading up to this. And please give a good translation of the screen capture.

in slang so I took it as a message
If this continues, we can recommend a chat ban. He is a new player (1035 frags). I suspect a young teen with a "libido issue".
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Voice of justice.
onomuno wrote:olayları bilip bilmeden konuşma ayrıca biz kendimizi savunuyoz konuyu kapatak dedik onlar dahada üstümüze geldi yorumdamı yazmıyak dün oyundayken hiç bir şey demedim bana küfür edip oyundan attı o zaman biraz da oyuncularda suç bulana kadar hatayı kendinde arasın
Bana uzaktan köpek savaşı izleyen, kedi muamelesi yapma. Bende bu olaylarla iç içe oynadım. Oyunda rakibimiz yokken bize hile dediler banladılar. Ban listesinden bakarsan fatih'le benim adımı yine göreceksin. Hile yapmadık fakat onlar hakkında çok konuştuk bize hile dediler diye. Küfür bile ettik yeri geldiğinde. Fakat bize olumlu bir şey dönmedi küfür ettiğimizde. Yani sen sen ol, saçma sapan uğraşma şu şeylerle.
general48 wrote:kardeşim olayları bilmeden karışma önceki konuşmalara bakarsan eğer anlarsın neden böyle olduğumuzu
Karışma demeyin bana, haklıysanız sizi savunurum. Fakat şuan haklı olan tarafı siz daha iyi biliyorsunuz. Sırf tartışmak için buraya google translate kullanıp 2-3 kelime atmayın. :whatis:
slapshot wrote: And please give a good translation of the screen capture.
To them, this time I teach, I am sure. (Learn them, even to the time it will take.)
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Onların derdi bizim takımı silmek bunu teams bölümünüde bakabilirsin bu yüzden bir tarafları kalkıyor artistlik yapıyorlar biz birşey demiyene bizde birşey demeyiz adam bana küfür ediyor kamptan atıyor yine ben suçlu sega suçlu veya bir diğeri bu oyunda türklere karşı kibir nefret bir arada 4 tane yabancı mod olurmu madem öyle bir tane türk modu olsun dilimizi ancak o anlar kendi kafalarına göre seçim yapmışlar kendi aralarındada yakın arkadaşlarına sağduyu bize karşı ben sana ban atarım yok bunu yaparım siktir et dememle 7 gün ban yedim bunların yüzünden
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onomuno wrote:Onların derdi bizim takımı silmek bunu teams bölümünüde bakabilirsin bu yüzden bir tarafları kalkıyor artistlik yapıyorlar biz birşey demiyene bizde birşey demeyiz adam bana küfür ediyor kamptan atıyor yine ben suçlu sega suçlu veya bir diğeri bu oyunda türklere karşı kibir nefret bir arada 4 tane yabancı mod olurmu madem öyle bir tane türk modu olsun dilimizi ancak o anlar kendi kafalarına göre seçim yapmışlar kendi aralarındada yakın arkadaşlarına sağduyu bize karşı ben sana ban atarım yok bunu yaparım siktir et dememle 7 gün ban yedim bunların yüzünden
Onların derdi sizin takımınızı falan sildirmek değil. Boş boş uğraşıyorsunuz oraya buraya sataşıyorsunuz. 4 adet moderator var ve görevlerini yerine getiriyorlar. Bir beşincisi gelecekse o da senin, benim dilimden anlayacak birisi olacaktır emin ol ki. Yakında göreceksiniz, dert tasa kalmayacak oyunda dostça oynayacağız. Siz takımınızı yükseltmeye, diğer oynayan yabancı arkadaşlarla iyi geçinmeye bakın. Forum kurallarında küfür etmemek gerekir, edersen şayet 7 değil 30 gün bile ban yiyebilirsin. Yakında tüm dökümanları foruma ekleyeceğim. Fakat sizin şu sataşma huyunuza gıcık kapıyorum, küfür eden adam videoları falan ekliyorsunuz hoş değil. :evil:
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onomuno wrote:Onların derdi bizim takımı silmek bunu teams bölümünüde bakabilirsin bu yüzden bir tarafları kalkıyor artistlik yapıyorlar biz birşey demiyene bizde birşey demeyiz adam bana küfür ediyor kamptan atıyor yine ben suçlu sega suçlu veya bir diğeri bu oyunda türklere karşı kibir nefret bir arada 4 tane yabancı mod olurmu madem öyle bir tane türk modu olsun dilimizi ancak o anlar kendi kafalarına göre seçim yapmışlar kendi aralarındada yakın arkadaşlarına sağduyu bize karşı ben sana ban atarım yok bunu yaparım siktir et dememle 7 gün ban yedim bunların yüzünden
This has NOTHING to do with you being Turkish. You love to hide behind this. It has EVERYTHING to do with your behavior. Learn. Learn before it's too late. :whatis:
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general48 wrote:Please do not hesitate to contact for translating
We understand he is swearing. Read the past posts. Some swearing is allowed. But he must be taught what is acceptable. We do not ban the frist time a player gets frustrated with other players who have THOUSANDS more frags. You must remember what it was like when you were new. You did not know the rules. So take the time to teach him. Mostly, encourage him to to join this forum so he can speak his mind. However, I suspect a young teen, who is frustrated. Give him some time. If it continues, we can look to a chat ban. In my opinion, this is a first offence.

Remember: Two veteran players can always mute a player like this. :think:

Many of you have used language much worse than this. So to the most of you, quit complaining. :biggthumbsdown:

To general48, thank you for bringing this to the forum. :biggthumbsup:

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My opinion is absolutely clear: we need more new players so muting those players or even banning their chat without explaining why is a way to lose them. Remus wrote something that was absolutely right:
Remus wrote: Some players need education.
The steps to follow in case of a "foul big mouth" are (should be) the following:
1. ignore him
2. warn him
3. mute him (a few times)
4. kick him out of camp (a few times)
5. report him (if he doesn't give up after all the above)

"fuck you", "asshole" & "bitch" define a teenager trying to grow up. :lol:
If you cannot live with this kind of player, see steps 2,3,...
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This should be our Five Commandments. :P
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By_Enes wrote:Voice of justice.
onomuno wrote:olayları bilip bilmeden konuşma ayrıca biz kendimizi savunuyoz konuyu kapatak dedik onlar dahada üstümüze geldi yorumdamı yazmıyak dün oyundayken hiç bir şey demedim bana küfür edip oyundan attı o zaman biraz da oyuncularda suç bulana kadar hatayı kendinde arasın
Bana uzaktan köpek savaşı izleyen, kedi muamelesi yapma. Bende bu olaylarla iç içe oynadım. Oyunda rakibimiz yokken bize hile dediler banladılar. Ban listesinden bakarsan fatih'le benim adımı yine göreceksin. Hile yapmadık fakat onlar hakkında çok konuştuk bize hile dediler diye. Küfür bile ettik yeri geldiğinde. Fakat bize olumlu bir şey dönmedi küfür ettiğimizde. Yani sen sen ol, saçma sapan uğraşma şu şeylerle.
general48 wrote:kardeşim olayları bilmeden karışma önceki konuşmalara bakarsan eğer anlarsın neden böyle olduğumuzu
Karışma demeyin bana, haklıysanız sizi savunurum. Fakat şuan haklı olan tarafı siz daha iyi biliyorsunuz. Sırf tartışmak için buraya google translate kullanıp 2-3 kelime atmayın. :whatis:
slapshot wrote: And please give a good translation of the screen capture.
To them, this time I teach, I am sure. (Learn them, even to the time it will take.)
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Her şeyin farkındayız bende uyarıyorum arkadaşlarımı fakat uymuyorlar.Benim foruma gelme amacım resimde yazıyor zaten.Diğer zamanlarda haklı olduğumuzda yazıyorum bunu da bil istedim.
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Her şeyin farkında olmanıza sevindim general48.
Fakat oyunda her zaman haklı olmanız kimseye inandırıcı gelmiyor, ne ben her zaman haklı olabilirim ne siz. Her insan hata yapabilir. Biz dostuz. Bu arada bir daha resim çektiğinde chat bölümünü yakınlaştır, yazılar gözükmüyor.
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By_Enes wrote:Her şeyin farkında olmanıza sevindim general48.
Fakat oyunda her zaman haklı olmanız kimseye inandırıcı gelmiyor, ne ben her zaman haklı olabilirim ne siz. Her insan hata yapabilir. Biz dostuz. Bu arada bir daha resim çektiğinde chat bölümünü yakınlaştır, yazılar gözükmüyor.
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general48 wrote:Elbette herkes haklı olamaz.Resmin üstüne tıklarsan büyür :biggthumbsup:
phpBB sistemlerinde bu fonksiyonun olduğunu unutmuşum, bilgilendirme için teşekkür ederim. roland adlı kullanıcıya gereği yapıldı mı? İki kişiydiniz keşke kamptan atsaydınız veya sustursaydınız. :roll:
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general48 wrote: Elbette herkes haklı olamaz.Resmin üstüne tıklarsan büyür :biggthumbsup:
I want to be clear.
1. We do need to see these reports of players cursing, etc.
2. Each incident will be dealt with on an individual basis in the appropriate manner.
3. Just because a player isn't banned immediately, does not mean we are ignoring it.

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Can I say something? I really think that if you post something on public ENGLISH forum, you should write it in english...it doesn't matter, you can just translate it with google or something. It is much easier for everyone here...I think. :roll:
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By_Enes wrote:
general48 wrote:Elbette herkes haklı olamaz.Resmin üstüne tıklarsan büyür :biggthumbsup:
phpBB sistemlerinde bu fonksiyonun olduğunu unutmuşum, bilgilendirme için teşekkür ederim. roland adlı kullanıcıya gereği yapıldı mı? İki kişiydiniz keşke kamptan atsaydınız veya sustursaydınız. :roll:
Evet gereken yapıldı :biggthumbsup:
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slapshot wrote:
general48 wrote: Elbette herkes haklı olamaz.Resmin üstüne tıklarsan büyür :biggthumbsup:
I want to be clear.
1. We do need to see these reports of players cursing, etc.
2. Each incident will be dealt with on an individual basis in the appropriate manner.
3. Just because a player isn't banned immediately, does not mean we are ignoring it.

:cheers:
I agree :biggthumbsup:
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roland swore should still want to be made of :whatis:
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I don't understand these:

1.You told me that Roland is banned. So how come he could play with us?
2.Why Rolad was not muted first before kicking him out of the camp?
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freekarol wrote:I don't understand these:

1.You told me that Roland is banned. So how come he could play with us?
2.Why Rolad was not muted first before kicking him out of the camp?
Did anyone explain that he should not curse? Were any of the following steps followed?
Remus wrote: Some players need education.
The steps to follow in case of a "foul big mouth" are (should be) the following:
1. ignore him
2. warn him
3. mute him (a few times)
4. kick him out of camp (a few times)
5. report him (if he doesn't give up after all the above)

"fuck you", "asshole" & "bitch" define a teenager trying to grow up. :lol:
If you cannot live with this kind of player, see steps 2,3,...
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we have warned him, but he was swearing constantly in our family are heavy curses :cheers:
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onomuno wrote:we have warned him, but he was swearing constantly in our family are heavy curses :cheers:
Continue to warn him please. Then try mute a few times. Ok?
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We're okay alert :cheers:
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1)I warned him 3-4 times, but I did not listen to me.
2)Yesterday we have silenced him.( with onomuno ) but one thing has not changed.
3)Today, as usual, began to curse.
4) And ,punish !!!
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sega wrote:1)I warned him 3-4 times, but I did not listen to me.
2)Yesterday we have silenced him.( with onomuno ) but one thing has not changed.
3)Today, as usual, began to curse.
4) And ,punish !!!
Do you understand ?
anlıyorum. But the screen capture did not show this. That is why I ask.
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Hepimiz birbirimizin derdini çeviri yazılımları sayesinde ayarlayabiliyoruz. Sega sana küfür eden bir kişiye yapman gerekeni söylüyorum dostum:
1- Küfür ettiğinde, hakaret ettiğinde uyaracaksın. Son ikazdan sonra hala yapmaya devam ederse kampında başka bir arkadaşın da varsa onu MUTE komutuyla susturacaksın.
2- Eğer kamptan çıkıp tekrar girerse onu oyundan PUNİSH komutuyla atacaksın. Eğer tekrar gelip hakaret etmeye devam ederse onu kampına hiç almayacaksın sürekli PUNİSH yapacaksın.
Emin ol zamanla senden korkmaya başlar, bir daha da kamplarına giremez girdiğinde bile küfür & hakaret cesaretini bulamaz.
Taktik budur. :cool:
slapshot wrote:anlıyorum.
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sen gel gir onun kampına vur arka arkaya 3-4 kez gor
anana babana sulalene nasıl kufur ediyo bakalım sakin kalabilcen mi :D
yapmam gereknleri zaten biliyom hepsini yaptım sonrada attım :D
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sega wrote:sen gel gir onun kampına vur arka arkaya 3-4 kez gor
anana babana sulalene nasıl kufur ediyo bakalım sakin kalabilcen mi :D
yapmam gereknleri zaten biliyom hepsini yaptım sonrada attım :D
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onomuno wrote:roland swore should still want to be made of :whatis:
Like you (onomuno, sega, nokta) don't use the same language towards us, in camp :roll:

How many game accounts has Roland.
How many game accounts has sega, onomuno, nokta.

All you try to do is drop other players in the shit.
The truth is you are the shit.

Care for your grievances I do not. :roll:
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as usual, you're being ridiculous...
What are you talking about ?
I don't want to eat anymore a ban.
That's why I'm shutting up. (don't mess with me,lenny)


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You talk BS
Read Slaps hot's signature.
I :agree: with his signature
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What's wrong with fighting :?:
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Or is it forged the ban is here to take us Do :whatis:
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People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. :wink: :roll:
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Always the same words all the same I'm sick remarks :roll: :biggthumbsdown:
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What are you talking so you giving us the story does get the man swore at us, we'll focus on this SILENCEIL :?:
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You (onomuno, sega, nokta) swore at us (Moderators).
What is the difference :think:
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Differences can not you limp calf crops blind without head :cool:
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onomuno wrote:roland swore should still want to be made of :whatis:
I was there during this:

Roland player cursed because both of you were blasting the crap out of him like two bullies. He's only got 2000 frags, so it's understandable he might get frustrated and call you a shit-head or asshole... (SO WHAT!) :baby:

Suggestion: Take it easy on our new players. Play like a real pro, use pistols or shotguns or even let them go once in a while if they don't see you like most veteran players do.
Also you kicked him out almost instantly without a mute or warning... (That's overreaction)

Basically, kicking the 100% royal shit out of the new players is not necessary, and chases them away form playing the game. :whatis:
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Ace---007 wrote:
onomuno wrote:roland swore should still want to be made of :whatis:
I was there during this:

Roland player cursed because both of you were blasting the crap out of him like two bullies. He's only got 2000 frags, so it's understandable he might get frustrated and call you a shit-head or asshole... (SO WHAT!) :baby:

Suggestion: Take it easy on our new players. Play like a real pro, use pistols or shotguns or even let them go once in a while if they don't see you like most veteran players do.
Also you kicked him out almost instantly without a mute or warning... (That's overreaction)

Basically, kicking the 100% royal shit out of the new players is not necessary, and chases them away form playing the game. :whatis:
As I suspected. Yes, new players get frustrated when "veteran" players gang up on one. I :agree: try playing against other vets and back off from this guy. Maybe even try to help him learn the game with a few tips to becoming a better player. Once he sees you're trying to help, I'll bet his attitude changes.
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:agree:
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:smile: I have always believed in giving new comers a chance until at least they get better at the game,and providing tips and encouraging them.
Just blasting the hell out of a new comer certainly will frustrate them and make them leave which is what we all don't want,give them a few free shots to encourage them and kill me makes me smile.
It is to easy for us to kill these new comers and best we give them chances and free shots.
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hawk wrote::smile: I have always believed in giving new comers a chance until at least they get better at the game,and providing tips and encouraging them.
Just blasting the hell out of a new comer certainly will frustrate them and make them leave which is what we all don't want,give them a few free shots to encourage them and kill me makes me smile.
It is to easy for us to kill these new comers and best we give them chances and free shots.
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Because of these "veterans" (read "noob killers") we're losing players.
Some of these "cardboard legends" are playing as unregistered players.
Less and less daily players because of these idiots.
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Re: Players with bad attitude

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Maybe access in beginners camps must be limited.Only players under 10 000 frags(or something)have access(and moderators). :cheers:
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