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Guys, what are we thinking for tournament rules?

Give your opinions:

Firstly, I think each pair gets to select their own rules. Landmines, yes or no; which map to play; etc.

Any other rules we should have? Like leaving the match too many times, etc?

No Landmines.. No 3rd person

in NCY

The only rule that there should be is in which map we will play all matches. One pair can't play in one map and another pair in another map. One map for all.
And rule about 3rd mode and landmines can't be established cause this are an official matches not friendly where you can have a deal about yes/no landmine and 3rd mode.

Here everyone plays their game in their own way

Landmines? NO (We need to know Talent here)
3rd Person? yes & no (whatever)
Maps are FZC, NCY, TFC, would be good.

Why one map? That doesn't make sense when we have 10 maps available.

It should be up to the people playing which map they select.

If someone wants to play in AZT or TLT or TLC rather than NCY, then they should be able to. If not, why do we have 10 maps?

Using one map only is the same as using one weapon only.

We're not looking for the NCY winner.

Praveen wrote:Landmines? NO (We need to know Talent here)
3rd Person? yes & no (whatever)
Maps are FZC, NCY, TFC, would be good.

And what's talented in 3rd mode? Rats?

Timberwolf wrote:Why one map? That doesn't make sense when we have 10 maps available.

It should be up to the people playing which map they select.

If someone wants to play in AZT or TLT or TLC rather than NCY, then they should be able to. If not, why do we have 10 maps?

Using one map only is the same as using one weapon only.

We're not looking for the NCY winner.

Yes that's true but what if you want to play in e.g. NYC and your opponent in TFC? Who is going do a favor to opponent, you or he? If we have one map than nobody can discuss with an opponent...

Milan wrote: And what's talented in 3rd mode? Rats?

i mean its ok for me
anyway, a ratone is a real smart player in game

Milan wrote:

Timberwolf wrote:Why one map? That doesn't make sense when we have 10 maps available.
It should be up to the people playing which map they select.

Yes that's true but what if you want to play in e.g. NYC and your opponent in TFC? Who is going do a favor to opponent, you or he? If we have one map than nobody can discuss with an opponent...

This is a tricky one.
Talking about recording movies, Josh's idea is a good one.

But talking about a tournament, Milan is right.

And also don't forget something very important:
A victory in NCY or FZC does not have the same "weight" as a victory in TFC or EGT.
And a tournament should not allow "cheap" victories.

Milan wrote:

Praveen wrote:Landmines? NO (We need to know Talent here)
3rd Person? yes & no (whatever)
Maps are FZC, NCY, TFC, would be good.

And what's talented in 3rd mode? Rats?

Timberwolf wrote:Why one map? That doesn't make sense when we have 10 maps available.

It should be up to the people playing which map they select.

If someone wants to play in AZT or TLT or TLC rather than NCY, then they should be able to. If not, why do we have 10 maps?

Using one map only is the same as using one weapon only.

We're not looking for the NCY winner.

Yes that's true but what if you want to play in e.g. NYC and your opponent in TFC? Who is going do a favor to opponent, you or he? If we have one map than nobody can discuss with an opponent...

1. Only the selected/decided maps should be allowed for the tournament.
2. Map(s) can be 1 or 3 and maps should be same for all. So that all would have equal chance of playing/winning.
3. No landmines/3rd person rules should be forced. If someone don't want to use landmine for himself then its his choice but he cannot force other player.
4. The only rule i think is wait for start of the match and finish in specific day or week in specified attempts.

I think the best approach (for all) is the following:
the best of 3 matches in 3 different fixed maps wins the round.
So the scores can be only 2-0 or 2-1.
Also, 3 maps are enough to include the favorite maps of most of the players.

To edit, convert, shrink, load, create a page, launch - it takes me about 3 hours per 1 video.

If I'm going to invest so much time to air the tournament so that we can all watch the results, it would be stupid to only have the 1 map.

Here are the maps that show well on video: AZT, TFC, TLT, NCY

I think we need to make a list of all the matches, get the ok from the players playing, and then set the pairs.

After we set the pairs, we can give them a chance to figure out in which map they want to play.

If one answers and the other doesn't, oh well. If one doesn't want to play in one place, but another wants another, oh well. They have to reach an agreement. REmus will decide!

What if they both don't want NCY but that was the only option? It's still the same thing.

Not everyone's going to get what they want. When I played last time vs. zoldyck, I had no sniper rule, no bomb (grenade) rule, and had to play as ratone hunter.

Showing the videos of the tournaments is just as important as hosting the tournament in my opinion. Last tournament sucked because no one could watch. We all just had to wait for results only. Now, we can watch action of every match.

Who here does not want to see all the matches of 1vs1?

Timberwolf wrote: Here are the maps that show well on video: AZT, TFC, TLT, NCY

I think we need to make a list of all the matches, get the ok from the players playing, and then set the pairs.

After we set the pairs, we can give them a chance to figure out in which map they want to play.

If one answers and the other doesn't, oh well. If one doesn't want to play in one place, but another wants another, oh well. They have to reach an agreement. REmus will decide!

What if they both don't want NCY but that was the only option? It's still the same thing.

Not everyone's going to get what they want. When I played last time vs. zoldyck, I had no sniper rule, no bomb (grenade) rule, and had to play as ratone hunter.

its not kids exam in which we give options to students that answer any 1 out of 4, these days there are no options. either pass or fail. if someone dont want to play then he can quit the tournament. Map or maps should be decided on vote basis before tournament and that would be final and fair approach. Else i would come up one day like enes_bugat and say remus please my match in egt ok.. please remus please .. we dont want this kind of crap.

So every thing should be clean and clear before tournament.

For your videos, you can set up free teams or friendly matches.

For tournament there should be strict rules else player/team would be out.
In my opinion 3 maps per player would be fair.

Here is a possible tournament (complete) table:
http://www.infdat.com/utils/Tournament2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Remus wrote:Here is a possible tournament (complete) table:
http://www.infdat.com/utils/Tournament2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

its very good remus

Listen Mr. remus teams are in the table will or part or they'll choose?
Teams must have 8 players force

How about a random draw each round of who plays who.
Its much more interesting.

Scrappitt wrote:How about a random draw each round of who plays who.
Its much more interesting.

To get 1vs3 and 60vs64 in the 1st round is a bad idea.

But presuming someone will make that "random" draw.
How can you be sure if those results are fake or not?

whether an observer remus Remus I join me Remus, please

Remus wrote:

Scrappitt wrote:How about a random draw each round of who plays who.
Its much more interesting.

To get 1vs3 and 60vs64 in the 1st round is a bad idea.

But presuming someone will make that "random" draw.
How can you be sure if those results are fake or not?

Easy, I would do it, does anyone question my integrity?

Scrappitt wrote:Easy, I would do it, does anyone question my integrity?

If "Simon says" something, that's a letter of law.
In any case, random draw is an option starting with Round 3.
Now ...
The current starting table is made by Milan.

http://www.infdat.com/utils/Tournament2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Those not listed (and interested in this tournament) will be included in a qualification round.

Remus wrote:

Scrappitt wrote:Easy, I would do it, does anyone question my integrity?

If "Simon says" something, that's a letter of law.
In any case, random draw is an option starting with Round 3.
Now ...
The current starting table is made by Milan.

http://www.infdat.com/utils/Tournament2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Those not listed (and interested in this tournament) will be included in a qualification round.

what about different maps in each round? i think by this way we can use maximum/all maps.

I'm thinking, World cup tournament
Group stages, Players 1,9,17,25 group A camp NCY, or
Group stages, Players 1,9,17,25 group A, each player play's 1 game against one of the players in his group, in each camp NCY,FZC,TFC
GS 2,10,18,26.....and so on
1st and 2nd players from each group.
Move on to quarter finals (were Josh can get his video camera out0 (this could be a prize for reaching the finals)

I agree with Josh, we have 10 camp, maybe 6 or 8 camps are suitable.
Playing the tournament in one camp (although fair) is a crap idea.(boring)

The camp (for each match) should be preditermined by Remus or the Moderators
If you dont like the campTUFF LUCK

supreme wrote:what about different maps in each round? i think by this way we can use maximum/all maps.

Lenny wrote:I agree with Josh, we have 10 camp, maybe 6 or 8 camps are suitable.
Playing the tournament in one camp (although fair) is a crap idea.(boring)
The camp (for each match) should be preditermined by Remus or the Moderators

As you can see, the tournament table allows 3 maps per round.
We can include all the maps in this tournament.

Remus wrote:

supreme wrote:what about different maps in each round? i think by this way we can use maximum/all maps.

Lenny wrote:I agree with Josh, we have 10 camp, maybe 6 or 8 camps are suitable.
Playing the tournament in one camp (although fair) is a crap idea.(boring)
The camp (for each match) should be preditermined by Remus or the Moderators

As you can see, the tournament table allows 3 maps per round.
We can include all the maps in this tournament.

yes :) and final would be
winner61 - COD

remus plz swordxyz not onlıne plz Take me instead
Why I do not receive the

Guys let's add gcool101 ( Gaurav ) too...he will come back game...today :))

Remus wrote:Those not listed (and interested in this tournament) will be included in a qualification round.

I think a group stage at first, then finals.
This is far more interesting, than a knock out stage from start to finish

why i'm dont in the list and istanbul is in the list remus i want to too in the list me vs ....... a hard

Remus wrote:Here is a possible tournament (complete) table:
http://www.infdat.com/utils/Tournament2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

how can we meet opponent for match any Timings?

We have to loosen up with so many "rules" about the tournament. This can't be a dictatorship or one of those stupid theocracies stuck in 200BC.

Part of the reason the tournament fell through last time and took a year to finish was because it was boring. Now we have a chance for it to be exciting.

If two players--say topz and john for example--get to play against one another and they both want to play VIP, then what sense does it make to say "no, you must play in NCY"?

As long as players are staying within a framework of rules, like not cheating, then, if both players in the match agree to certain terms, they should be allowed to play where they want.

Timberwolf wrote:If two players--say topz and john for example--get to play against one another and they both want to play VIP, then what sense does it make to say "no, you must play in NCY"?

That's not allowed.
The moderators will nominate 3 maps for every round.
In this way we can include all the maps for this tournament.
The players canNOT play in another map, because the victories must have the same "weight" for all the players.

drogba71 wrote:remus plz swordxyz not onlıne plz Take me instead
Why I do not receive the

turk_askeri wrote:why i'm dont in the list and istanbul is in the list remus i want to too in the list me vs ....... a hard

Banned/unbanned players, players with borrowed passwords canNOT participate at tournaments and at that list are: drogba71, turk_askeri, nokta, kalkanbebek, mucaht2. xxxfacexxx, zzaday and so on and so on.... And NOBODY will change this so don't insist because it will be waste of our time.

Only honest players are invited at this tournament!

Milan will rebuild the tournament starting table (a few active veterans are missing).
Meanwhile, the moderators are invited to nominate the maps for the 1st round.
3 nominations for each moderator.
My vote counts only if there are more than 3 maps with the same number of votes.

Take me Remus

kral3452tr wrote:Take me Remus

You have been included.
http://www.infdat.com/utils/Tournament2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

take me remus

can71 wrote:take me remus

You have been included.

what time? clock ?

can71 wrote:what time? clock ?

Yes, starting today.
You need to find Belgke and to play the matches.

Remus wrote:

can71 wrote:what time? clock ?

Yes, starting today.
You need to find Belgke and to play the matches.

but is not belgke What will happen then Who will tour

can71 wrote:but is not belgke What will happen then?
Who will tour?

Do you think all the players are online when you are online?

You have 5 days to find him and to play the matches.
Also you can send him a PM.

Don't waste my time with stupid questions.


Edited:
You will play the qualifying round with Shashwat.

remus we play 1v1 tournament with kronos score 7-2 i'm winer but after kronos left the camp

remus we play the tournament (just in ncy) i'm winner with score 20-10 me vs kronos12

turk_askeri wrote:remus we play the tournament (just in ncy) i'm winner with score 20-10 me vs kronos12

Play all the 3 matches.
10,000 points bonus for both players.

Remus wrote:

turk_askeri wrote:remus we play the tournament (just in ncy) i'm winner with score 20-10 me vs kronos12

Play all the 3 matches.
10,000 points bonus for both players.

ok remus :)

Remus wrote:

turk_askeri wrote:remus we play the tournament (just in ncy) i'm winner with score 20-10 me vs kronos12

Play all the 3 matches.
10,000 points bonus for both players.

but in http://www.infdat.com/utils/Tournament2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; its write 0-0 why . ?