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Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 13:34**

Once again, at the risk of sounding like a pessimist, I'll voice my complaint about the "s-word". Yep, you guessed it, suicide.
Just to be clear:
suicidio
intihar
sebevražda
pagpapakamatay
Selbstmord
suicid
samobójstwo
sinucidere
خودکش

(Apologies if I missed a language or two!)

Now apparently many of you think that this is a viable strategy in this game. For those of us who actually took the time to learn strategies and skills from some of the veterans in this game, I assure you it's not. In fact it's downright cowardly and selfish..

If I work you into a corner and have you beat, and you take one last shot at a wall or your feet with the RPG? WTF??? Really? You can't give up the kill and the weapon? And you think this makes you a better player?

I've got one thing to say: KNOCK IT OFF! Learn to play the game! Take your hit when you have it coming to you!

This is supposed to be fun, not frustrating! So try it. You just might like it!

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 13:42**

Today I've introduced a penalty for kangaroos: delayed jump.
We love kangaroos, but they are not welcome here.

Maybe you shoud vote for a double penalty for suicide: -2 frags.

p.s.

slapshot wrote:Now apparently many of you think that this is a viable strategy in this game. For those of us who actually took the time to learn strategies and skills from some of the veterans in this game, I assure you it's not. In fact it's downright cowardly and selfish.

What do you expect from them, if they behave like this one:

terminator.jpg

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 15:01**

Remus wrote:Today I've introduced a penalty for kangaroos: delayed jump.
We love kangaroos, but they are not welcome here.

Maybe you shoud vote for a double penalty for suicide: -2 frags.

p.s.
slapshot wrote:Now apparently many of you think that this is a viable strategy in this game. For those of us who actually took the time to learn strategies and skills from some of the veterans in this game, I assure you it's not. In fact it's downright cowardly and selfish.
What do you expect from them, if they behave like this one:
terminator.jpg

Haha, thats a good photo.

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 15:07**

slapshot wrote:Once again, at the risk of sounding like a pessimist, I'll voice my complaint about the "s-word". Yep, you guessed it, suicide.
Just to be clear:
suicidio
intihar
sebevražda
pagpapakamatay
Selbstmord
suicid
samobójstwo
sinucidere
خودکش

(Apologies if I missed a language or two!)

Now apparently many of you think that this is a viable strategy in this game. For those of us who actually took the time to learn strategies and skills from some of the veterans in this game, I assure you it's not. In fact it's downright cowardly and selfish..

If I work you into a corner and have you beat, and you take one last shot at a wall or your feet with the RPG? WTF??? Really? You can't give up the kill and the weapon? And you think this makes you a better player?

I've got one thing to say: KNOCK IT OFF! Learn to play the game! Take your hit when you have it coming to you!

This is supposed to be fun, not frustrating! So try it. You just might like it!

I mind just players who kill themselves intentionally. I think after a certain amount of suicides such players should have no access to rockets and bombs.

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 16:27**

Remus wrote:Today I've introduced a penalty for kangaroos: delayed jump.
We love kangaroos, but they are not welcome here.

Maybe you shoud vote for a double penalty for suicide: -2 frags.

p.s.
slapshot wrote:Now apparently many of you think that this is a viable strategy in this game. For those of us who actually took the time to learn strategies and skills from some of the veterans in this game, I assure you it's not. In fact it's downright cowardly and selfish.
What do you expect from them, if they behave like this one:
terminator.jpg

I don't know about terminator photo Its more like catminator

,as for these suicide players,I have come across a regular who always uses the rpg7 at close range,and blows himself up as well as myself,only the other day he did this about three or four times to himself and me :smash:

I think a penalty is in order a loss of frags if done so many times.
I always try to change a weapon instead of blowing myself up,wish others would do the same.

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 16:46**

A certain amount has to be acceptable. And is truly accidental. But the real culprit becomes immediately apparent when the chat box fills with
player x committed suicide
player x committed suicide
player x committed suicide
player x committed suicide
player x committed suicide

And I agree, a -2 frag AND -20 point penalty would be in order.

But this is my personal opinion. Let's hear from the rest of the players.
If the majority thinks this is an acceptable form of stragey, I'll shut up and sit quietly in my corner.

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 16:47**

Remus wrote:Today I've introduced a penalty for kangaroos: delayed jump.
We love kangaroos, but they are not welcome here.

Maybe you shoud vote for a double penalty for suicide: -2 frags.

p.s.
slapshot wrote:Now apparently many of you think that this is a viable strategy in this game. For those of us who actually took the time to learn strategies and skills from some of the veterans in this game, I assure you it's not. In fact it's downright cowardly and selfish.
What do you expect from them, if they behave like this one:
terminator.jpg

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 17:14**

slapshot wrote:A certain amount has to be acceptable. And is truly accidental. But the real culprit becomes immediately apparent when the chat box fills with
player x committed suicide
player x committed suicide
player x committed suicide
player x committed suicide
player x committed suicide

And I agree, a -2 frag AND -20 point penalty would be in order.

But this is my personal opinion. Let's hear from the rest of the players.
If the majority thinks this is an acceptable form of stragey, I'll shut up and sit quietly in my corner.

I don't think 2 frag is enough,between 5-10 plus 20 points deducted would be better,but how many are allowed before the penalty?

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 18:40**

Remus wrote:Today I've introduced a penalty for kangaroos: delayed jump.
We love kangaroos, but they are not welcome here.

Maybe you shoud vote for a double penalty for suicide: -2 frags.

p.s.
slapshot wrote:Now apparently many of you think that this is a viable strategy in this game. For those of us who actually took the time to learn strategies and skills from some of the veterans in this game, I assure you it's not. In fact it's downright cowardly and selfish.
What do you expect from them, if they behave like this one:
terminator.jpg

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 18:44**

I did mention about this suicide crap a few months ago. To me it was obvious that this would spread. This weekend I asked a player (can't remember their name) to stop killing themselves, and alianzacopa replied "no".
Also this weekend I kicked 3 player out, for doing the same suicide crap.
If you kick them out in FFA and they re-enter, then they have to collect the weapons again

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 18:51**

Lenny wrote:If you kick them out in FFA and they re-enter, then they have to collect the weapons again

Minus 2 frags per suicide and automatically kicked out after 3 suicides

Just an idea ...

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 18:58**

Lenny wrote: Also this weekend I kicked 3 player out, for doing the same suicide crap.
If you kick them out in FFA and they re-enter, then they have to collect the weapons again

Ima do that from now on...

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 19:11**

Remus wrote:
Lenny wrote:If you kick them out in FFA and they re-enter, then they have to collect the weapons again
Minus 2 frags per suicide and automatically kicked out after 3 suicides
Just an idea ...

Make it 4 as it generally takes that many times to really get me cranked!

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 19:17**

slapshot wrote:Make it 4 as it generally takes that many times to really get me cranked!

That's way too much.
Most of the players don't do it on purpose.
Why shoud I take them 4 frags for that?

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 19:26**

Remus wrote:
slapshot wrote:Make it 4 as it generally takes that many times to really get me cranked!

That's way too much.
Most of the players don't do it on purpose.
Why shoud it take them 4 frags for that?

Yeah, I was thinking that in matches, sometimes I accidentally do it more that twice, maybe three times. But I would agree, 3 times in a FFA session tends to be deliberate.

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 19:31**

slapshot wrote:Yeah, I was thinking that in matches, sometimes I accidentally do it more that twice, maybe three times. But I would agree, 3 times in a FFA session tends to be deliberate.

I think with minus 2 frags, most of them will give up.
And the rest will give up after 3 suicides (they need to log in again).

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 19:46**

da asta e foarte bine k foarte multi trag k disperatii sa te omoare nu conteaza k se omoara, sau tragi in el si pe cand sa-l omori se omoara singur

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 19:47**

3 suicide = lose rpg & super guns

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 19:54**

Lenny wrote:3 suicide = lose rpg & super guns

In FFA this is a minor punishment.
It won't help at all.

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 20:23**

Remus wrote: I think with minus 2 frags, most of them will give up.
And the rest will give up after 3 suicides (they need to log in again).

I think I like this! I also liked Lenny's "lose the RPG & superguns" idea. It's a great idea, but wouldn't they just exit and re-enter and start all over again?

But being kicked from camp with a comment like "another suicide moron just checked out" and having to log back in with 6 frags less than what they logged in with? NOW we're talking!

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 20:27**

luptatorul87 wrote:da asta e foarte bine k foarte multi trag k disperatii sa te omoare nu conteaza k se omoara, sau tragi in el si pe cand sa-l omori se omoara singur

Remus help! Google translator is turning this comment into "mush". What is our friend saying?

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 20:33**

Minus 2 frags per suicide and automatically kicked out after 3 suicides
look's fine for me

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 20:47**

slapshot wrote:
luptatorul87 wrote:da asta e foarte bine k foarte multi trag k disperatii sa te omoare nu conteaza k se omoara, sau tragi in el si pe cand sa-l omori se omoara singur
Remus help! Google translator is turning this comment into "mush". What is our friend saying?

Yes, this is very good because many of them are desperate to kill you.
It doesn't matter if they kill a teammate, or they kill themselves.

John_H wrote:Minus 2 frags per suicide and automatically kicked out after 3 suicides
look's fine for me

Here is the new penalty for suicide starting today:
- minus 2 frags
- all the bombs & rockets are lost
- all the Pro weapons ammo is lost

We will decide later (if needed) if they will be kicked out of camp after 3 suicides.

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 20:49**

Remus wrote:
slapshot wrote:
luptatorul87 wrote:da asta e foarte bine k foarte multi trag k disperatii sa te omoare nu conteaza k se omoara, sau tragi in el si pe cand sa-l omori se omoara singur
Remus help! Google translator is turning this comment into "mush". What is our friend saying?
Yes, this is very good because many of them are desperate to kill you.
It doesn't matter if they kill a teammate, or they kill themselves.

John_H wrote:Minus 2 frags per suicide and automatically kicked out after 3 suicides
look's fine for me

Here is the new penalty for suicide starting today:
- minus 2 frags
- all the bombs & rockets are lost
- all the Pro weapons ammo is lost

We will decide later (if needed) if they will be kicked out of camp after 3 suicides.

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 23:35**

Remus wrote:
slapshot wrote:
luptatorul87 wrote:da asta e foarte bine k foarte multi trag k disperatii sa te omoare nu conteaza k se omoara, sau tragi in el si pe cand sa-l omori se omoara singur
Remus help! Google translator is turning this comment into "mush". What is our friend saying?
Yes, this is very good because many of them are desperate to kill you.
It doesn't matter if they kill a teammate, or they kill themselves.

John_H wrote:Minus 2 frags per suicide and automatically kicked out after 3 suicides
look's fine for me

Here is the new penalty for suicide starting today:
- minus 2 frags
- all the bombs & rockets are lost
- all the Pro weapons ammo is lost

We will decide later (if needed) if they will be kicked out of camp after 3 suicides.

yep kick them out

Posted: **26 Feb 2013, 23:46**

-2 is enough!
P.S Sometimes, certain comparisons are quite uncalled for!
Anyways, not playing has nothing to do with a vote here.
A good thought, carried way too much, unnecessarily!

Posted: **27 Feb 2013, 01:39**

Well, well, well!
The no jumping thingy? I thought you were joking about that!

But I tested everything.

First, for the "suicidal-deterrent mechanism":
(My suicide was accidental at first, but later I tried it deliberately).
3 "suicidal boo-boos", and PRESTO! No guns!
Then each time after, deliberate or not, no guns!
It worked excellently!

And of course you can always collect more guns, but the lesson is certainly learned quickly!

Secondly, even if I never realized it, I must have used the jump a lot. The "delayed-jump" (I call it, "Anti-Kangaroo") will definitely take some time to get used to. Especially for players that used jumping consistently. (sorry juan507!) So no more boingy-boingy-boingy like Winnie the Pooh's "Tigger" all over the camp!

images.jpg

But all in all, I really think these changes are going to create more consistency and help even out the game play.
In other words, I like it![/color]

Posted: **27 Feb 2013, 02:52**

hey Remus why the delayed jumps?

Posted: **27 Feb 2013, 07:29**

juan507 wrote:hey Remus why the delayed jumps?

The current approach is more realistic.
Also it helps the gameplay.

In the real world "strafe + forward" does not exist.
But it's used in any game and I have to live with that.

But bad connections jumping all the time is something that I cannot accept.

Posted: **27 Feb 2013, 08:21**

Posted: **27 Feb 2013, 11:56**

Sounds great as I find the players jumping all the time annoying,plus the suicide thing.
This game just gets better

Posted: **27 Feb 2013, 18:14**

Just to verify something here

. Do we loose our guns immediately after 1st suicide or after 3rd. Because I kill myself today (accidentally) and I lost all of my pro weapons immediately. I thought that 3rd suicide means no guns.
Jumping thing is OK! No more kangaroos

Posted: **27 Feb 2013, 18:17**

profesorhr wrote:Just to verify something here . Do we loose our guns immediately after 1st suicide or after 3rd. Because I kill myself today (accidentally) and I lost all of my pro weapons immediately. I thought that 3rd suicide means no guns.
Jumping thing is OK! No more kangaroos

I know this morning you and Topz were killing yourselves all over the place! hehehehe!

Posted: **27 Feb 2013, 18:18**

profesorhr wrote:Because I kill myself today (accidentally) and I lost all of my pro weapons immediately.

I bet next time ...

Posted: **28 Feb 2013, 02:06**

Remus wrote:
juan507 wrote:hey Remus why the delayed jumps?
The current approach is more realistic.
Also it helps the gameplay.

In the real world "strafe + forward" does not exist.
But it's used in any game and I have to live with that.
But bad connections jumping all the time is something that I cannot accept.

and if u get slowed anytime that u are shooted when u are jumping or running?

Posted: **28 Feb 2013, 07:36**

juan507 wrote:and if u get slowed anytime that u are shooted when u are jumping or running?

If you carry a weapon, you cannot jump like a kangaroo.
That's for sure.

Posted: **28 Feb 2013, 13:30**

profesorhr wrote:Just to verify something here . Do we loose our guns immediately after 1st suicide or after 3rd. Because I kill myself today (accidentally) and I lost all of my pro weapons immediately. I thought that 3rd suicide means no guns.
Jumping thing is OK! No more kangaroos

Apparently it's been changed to the FIRST time! I accidentally... well, okay, I DID deliberately jump off the balcony, but I lost my RPG & pro-guns immediately. This is gonna take some getting used to...

Posted: **28 Feb 2013, 13:32**

Remus wrote:
juan507 wrote:and if u get slowed anytime that u are shooted when u are jumping or running?
If you carry a weapon, you cannot jump like a kangaroo.
That's for sure.

Valid point! real soldiers are NOT jumping up and down when they shoot. They only in do that in Quake!

Posted: **28 Feb 2013, 14:14**

slapshot wrote:Apparently it's been changed to the FIRST time!

Just read again (more carefully this time):

Remus wrote:Here is the new penalty for suicide starting today:
- minus 2 frags
- all the bombs & rockets are lost
- all the Pro weapons ammo is lost

We will decide later (if needed) if they will be kicked out of camp after 3 suicides.

"penalty for suicide" does not mean "penalty for 3 suicides".
As you can see, I didn't change anything.

Posted: **28 Feb 2013, 15:39**

Remus wrote: Just read again (more carefully this time):
Remus wrote:Here is the new penalty for suicide starting today:
- minus 2 frags
- all the bombs & rockets are lost
- all the Pro weapons ammo is lost

We will decide later (if needed) if they will be kicked out of camp after 3 suicides.
"penalty for suicide" does not mean "penalty for 3 suicides".
As you can see, I didn't change anything.

Well so it does read that way!

images.jpg

Posted: **02 Mar 2013, 13:03**

Posted: **03 Mar 2013, 06:40**

REMUS la apc nu se poate la agheu sa se faca ceva pui bomba iti arata k o poti pune si te arunca in aer
daca nu e transparenta sa nu te mai arunce in aer

Posted: **03 Mar 2013, 08:35**

luptatorul87 wrote:REMUS la apc nu se poate la agheu sa se faca ceva pui bomba iti arata k o poti pune si te arunca in aer
daca nu e transparenta sa nu te mai arunce in aer

I don't understand.
The rule is the same in all the maps.
Did you find a bug in APC or what?

Posted: **03 Mar 2013, 08:59**

iese de pe semitransparenta si e alba si te arunca in aer sa se faca ceva dc se poate sa nu mai arate k o poti pune si sa te arunce in aer

Posted: **03 Mar 2013, 09:09**

luptatorul87 wrote:iese de pe semitransparenta si e alba si te arunca in aer sa se faca ceva dc se poate sa nu mai arate k o poti pune si sa te arunce in aer

Te rog incearca macar in limba romana sa explici foarte clar.
Unde si ce incerci sa faci, pas cu pas.

Posted: **03 Mar 2013, 09:44**

la apc unde este agheul este un loc unde iti da voie sa anplasezi bomba si de ce te arunca in aer?

Posted: **03 Mar 2013, 09:47**

bomba nu mai este semitransparenta cand o anplasez si tot ma arunca in aer asta vroiam sa zic

Posted: **03 Mar 2013, 09:50**

luptatorul87 wrote:la apc unde este agheul este un loc unde iti da voie sa anplasezi bomba si de ce te arunca in aer?

Am verificat si totul este OK.
APC este o harta mica si ai foarte putine locatii unde poti amplasa mine.
Cea de langa RPG-7 este una dintre ele, dar conditiile de amplasare sunt foarte stricte.
Gaseste locatia (iconita minei opaca), te opresti, plantezi mina si pleci.

p.s.
Un veteran adevarat nu foloseste mine in APC.

Posted: **03 Mar 2013, 09:58**

am inteles sefu

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